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JOo Leut hab grad bei Teamliquid gelesen das die Bediengungen im Ministry of Win house ziemlich schlecht sein solln.
Falls ihr net wisst das ist glaub ein relativ neu gegründetest Gaming House für Pro Gamer.
Fuzer hat auf Teamliquid in einem relativ langem Text sich dadrüber geäußert wie scheiße doch der Vertrag ist und wie die versuchen die Leute abzuziehn.
Fuzer Text:
Hello everyone
So if someone didn't know I moved into Ministry of Win gaming house a month ago. We agreed on skype that I stay there for 3 months and I pay 2500zlt monthly (around 600euros).
I left/got kicked from the house yesterday because I didn't sign the contract. I wanted to get my lawyer to check the contract before signing it, because in my opinion it was full of shit:
Basically the contract said that a player who comes to the house needs to stream for MoW 150hours a month (5hours a day) and MoW house takes a cut from your streaming revenues: So basically you come to the house, you pay 600euros so you could have best conditions to practice but still you have to work for the house?
I mean if you have this kind of "surprises" in the contract, why don't you tell them before player actually comes to the house? When we talked about my coming I was only interested about my practicing over there and that's what we agreed.
And another thing that the contract said is that after you've been your time in the house, you're not allowed to establish your own house / be part of gaming house as a coach etc. for next 10 years. (We asked about this from the boss and he said that they don't want us to take "ideas" from this house to some of their competitors)
But the way they had worded the contract it would allow them to deny us from even joining other gaming houses as a player for next 10 years.
So after I noticed that I wanted to check out if the contract had anything else "hidden" on it, because english is not my native language I wanted to let my lawyer check it for me, so I asked if they could send it to him/or to me so I can forward it. They wanted my lawyer to send some verifications that he is actually a qualified lawyer before they would send it to him.
MoW never got the stuff they wanted so they never sent it to my lawyer(It felt to me that they didn't want anyone who actually knew more about the law stuff to see contracts like this )
Yesterday the boss told me in skype that I have to sign the contract before 22:00 or I'd have to leave. I told him that I can't sign it before my lawyer sees it.
So I decided to leave the house. I asked him if he was going to pay me back the money I had already paid for this month (I paid 2500zlt and I were there 6 days out of 30 days = so they owe me 2000zlt)
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
When I wrote to my facebook page that they stole my money, right away the boss asked about my bank account, but anyways I decided to tell the story. I know I may lose the money but atleast I can do something for esports and reveal some things aren't as nice as you may think.
But overall my thinks about the house: Computers worked fine, I was able to focus on my practicing and I improved a lot (and will continue improving).
But I would suggest them to give some more food to people. I mean it was unhealthy (deep fried fries 3times a week) and there wasn't enough food (3 meatballs for whole day + some fries+ vegetables). Of course there was some cold food like bread and serials but only one "Hot" meal in a day.
There was no "training schedule" I mean, for every day it was same "eat, play, eat play, eat, play, free time, sleep". No personal training programs, no personal workout programs, no anything.
During first 3 weeks (before the big names came to the house) I was woken up 4 times during the night, because boss and his friends were having fun (basically they had parties in downstairs really often). Once they came 4am from the nightclub and talked so loudly that almost every player in the house woke up (after that one I had serious discussion about this and it ended).
For last words I want to thank other players in the house, you guys were great and I will miss you. It was nice time for the time it lasted.
And by the way, the boss tried to stop me writing this by saying that I signed NDA(=Non-disclosure agreement), but next time you make people to sign them. Please make sure that papers are binded together somehow + you take signature to every page.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=368265
btw ich halte nicht viel Von Fuzers aussage aber was haltet ihr davon ?? Glaubt ihr dem ganzen oder wollt ihr auch erstma statements von spielern dort sehen ??
Falls ihr net wisst das ist glaub ein relativ neu gegründetest Gaming House für Pro Gamer.
Fuzer hat auf Teamliquid in einem relativ langem Text sich dadrüber geäußert wie scheiße doch der Vertrag ist und wie die versuchen die Leute abzuziehn.
Fuzer Text:
Hello everyone
So if someone didn't know I moved into Ministry of Win gaming house a month ago. We agreed on skype that I stay there for 3 months and I pay 2500zlt monthly (around 600euros).
I left/got kicked from the house yesterday because I didn't sign the contract. I wanted to get my lawyer to check the contract before signing it, because in my opinion it was full of shit:
Basically the contract said that a player who comes to the house needs to stream for MoW 150hours a month (5hours a day) and MoW house takes a cut from your streaming revenues: So basically you come to the house, you pay 600euros so you could have best conditions to practice but still you have to work for the house?
I mean if you have this kind of "surprises" in the contract, why don't you tell them before player actually comes to the house? When we talked about my coming I was only interested about my practicing over there and that's what we agreed.
And another thing that the contract said is that after you've been your time in the house, you're not allowed to establish your own house / be part of gaming house as a coach etc. for next 10 years. (We asked about this from the boss and he said that they don't want us to take "ideas" from this house to some of their competitors)
But the way they had worded the contract it would allow them to deny us from even joining other gaming houses as a player for next 10 years.
So after I noticed that I wanted to check out if the contract had anything else "hidden" on it, because english is not my native language I wanted to let my lawyer check it for me, so I asked if they could send it to him/or to me so I can forward it. They wanted my lawyer to send some verifications that he is actually a qualified lawyer before they would send it to him.
MoW never got the stuff they wanted so they never sent it to my lawyer(It felt to me that they didn't want anyone who actually knew more about the law stuff to see contracts like this )
Yesterday the boss told me in skype that I have to sign the contract before 22:00 or I'd have to leave. I told him that I can't sign it before my lawyer sees it.
So I decided to leave the house. I asked him if he was going to pay me back the money I had already paid for this month (I paid 2500zlt and I were there 6 days out of 30 days = so they owe me 2000zlt)
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
When I wrote to my facebook page that they stole my money, right away the boss asked about my bank account, but anyways I decided to tell the story. I know I may lose the money but atleast I can do something for esports and reveal some things aren't as nice as you may think.
But overall my thinks about the house: Computers worked fine, I was able to focus on my practicing and I improved a lot (and will continue improving).
But I would suggest them to give some more food to people. I mean it was unhealthy (deep fried fries 3times a week) and there wasn't enough food (3 meatballs for whole day + some fries+ vegetables). Of course there was some cold food like bread and serials but only one "Hot" meal in a day.
There was no "training schedule" I mean, for every day it was same "eat, play, eat play, eat, play, free time, sleep". No personal training programs, no personal workout programs, no anything.
During first 3 weeks (before the big names came to the house) I was woken up 4 times during the night, because boss and his friends were having fun (basically they had parties in downstairs really often). Once they came 4am from the nightclub and talked so loudly that almost every player in the house woke up (after that one I had serious discussion about this and it ended).
For last words I want to thank other players in the house, you guys were great and I will miss you. It was nice time for the time it lasted.
And by the way, the boss tried to stop me writing this by saying that I signed NDA(=Non-disclosure agreement), but next time you make people to sign them. Please make sure that papers are binded together somehow + you take signature to every page.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=368265
btw ich halte nicht viel Von Fuzers aussage aber was haltet ihr davon ?? Glaubt ihr dem ganzen oder wollt ihr auch erstma statements von spielern dort sehen ??
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viel interessanter wäre mal die Frage wie sich das für die spieler rechnet. Die Namen die ich hier so gelesen hab kenn ich eigentlich nicht (bis auf wilko). wie verdienen die denn am zocken Kohle?
Naja solang die GM zu ist, ist das bissl einfacher.
