schreibt lieber in englisch, damit sich die verantwortlichen bei EA diesen Thread durchlesen können .. wo bleibt eigentlich Pete :P
Eine Diskussion über relativit uses hacks in online play im Forum Fairplay. Teil des Tiberium Wars & Kanes Rache-Bereichs; schreibt lieber in englisch, damit sich die verantwortlichen bei EA diesen Thread durchlesen können .. wo bleibt eigentlich Pete :P...
schreibt lieber in englisch, damit sich die verantwortlichen bei EA diesen Thread durchlesen können .. wo bleibt eigentlich Pete :P
ich glaub nicht das Myers gesagt hat 100% sicher, er meinte wohl 100% die bekannt sind, es gibt auch privat hacks, wie soll Myers oder sonst wer daran kommen ?
ich hab immernoch nicht die Hoffnung aufgeben, das EA vielleicht auch sowas wie AntiCheat-Tool Entwickelt, vielleicht zu RA3
Ich wäre in Turnieren für ein Screnshot-Tool, allerdings gibts auch da Möglichkeiten das zu manipulieren, wie gesagt 100% Sicherheit kann keiner bieten
well i think EA + Apoc atm got thair decision they are not going to change it imho. they will act prejudiced wich is not the right way to do but relativit is the allmighty beloved winner of the tournament. but imho its realy odd he got bashed by brosea at the WCG and right after that hes the new shining start and getting all tournaments won by him self. but to be honest we should try to do every thing wich we can do get relativit exposed as a cheater since its at the moment every thing too obvious: him self trying to get rid of the acccusations by getting others accused and pulling the fake haloy over his head
@tala there is a possibility to reduce the chance of cheaters dramatically. -> Lan finals
Aceton ist nicht proof und das schon seit sehr langer Zeit...
ok 1st off I never said ACETON was 100% uncrackable I meant at the time we used it there existed no PUBLIC cracks for it yes I know it has been cracked in the past by agentdark64 + xanatus etc etc but that doesn't change the fact that there has been no documented cases of aceton being cracked recently in games. Of course ACETON can be cracked in a day or 2 by those 2 ppl but the fact is they have not demonstrated this in cnc3 yet
2nd: to apothekenbeir, its not money cheat, watch the replay again. Look at how the movement of my harvs differ from yours. Mine go faster, do they not? Well that is because I manually click them to each field after leaving the refinery, and each time they return so as not to waste time. I also click the larger crystals because movement speed < turn speed so it is more important to go farther into the field. Also, most importantly, check the end of the match. My harvs take I think about at least 3 loads off your center green. This is not money cheat, this is skill. I am sure I am teh only person in the world who hotkeys harvs 5-9 with battle groups 1-4, cy 0. if you don't hotkey your harvs there is no way you can move them fast enough. I also had more harvs in total.
Most ppl here are bringing up general accusations, nothing specific. I already talked with sleid about the specific accusations liang made, which are total bs.
(7:35:10 AM) -_-);;: that game when i made pitbull before shadow
(7:35:16 AM) -_-);;: it was becuase 2 thingns
(7:35:26 AM) -_-);;: a) last game u obsed i had gone expand 4 harv
(7:35:33 AM) -_-);;: so logical thing would u go to go shadow
(7:35:34 AM) -_-);;: and
(7:35:35 AM) -_-);;: b)
(7:35:39 AM) -_-);;: the last time we played
(7:35:42 AM) -_-);;: u didnt go shadow
(7:35:45 AM) -_-);;: and nowadays
(7:35:48 AM) -_-);;: in the last 2 weeks
(7:35:52 AM) -_-);;: players mindsets work like this:
(7:36:03 AM) -_-);;: use tactic A in 1 game, if it doesnt work switch to tactic b
(7:36:08 AM) -_-);;: 2 months ago they would repeat
(7:36:12 AM) -_-);;: but now its not true
(7:36:15 AM) -_-);;: ...
(7:36:17 AM) -_-);;: thats not maphack
(7:36:32 AM) -_-);;: and reason why i responded with just "" in game
(7:36:34 AM) -_-);;: was because
(7:36:39 AM) -_-);;: as you may know i use 2 kbs
(7:36:43 AM) -_-);;: 1 to type, 1 to play
(7:36:49 AM) -_-);;: so i can only type short stuff in game...
(7:37:24 AM) -_-);;: and there is not one case anywhere
(7:37:29 AM) -_-);;: that people have said "here he maphacks"
(7:37:32 AM) -_-);;: its just general
(7:37:39 AM) -_-);;: oh yeah relativit maphakcs blah blah
(7:37:42 AM) -_-);;: but no where specific...
(7:39:07 AM) -_-);;: oh and also a 3rd reason
(7:39:21 AM) -_-);;: certain ppl have certain personality traits
(7:39:24 AM) -_-);;: like for example
(7:39:30 AM) -_-);;: leo will always do shadowteam --> 2 fac tech
(7:39:36 AM) -_-);;: unless u beat him twice with that
(7:39:42 AM) -_-);;: then he will go expand --> 2 fac tech
(7:39:49 AM) -_-);;: zicro will always go crawl on stusa
(7:40:00 AM) -_-);;: unles u beat him twice he will go shadowteam (if you beat him twice by expanding)
(7:40:05 AM) -_-);;: one thing i noticed about u
(7:40:07 AM) -_-);;: is when i play you
(7:40:15 AM) -_-);;: you will go for fast kill in the early rounds
(7:40:22 AM) -_-);;: e.g engi apc --> or 5 shadowteam
(7:40:31 AM) -_-);;: because if you can get 3 fac down
(7:40:35 AM) -_-);;: with shadowteam its instawin
(7:40:38 AM) -_-);;: so...
(7:40:58 AM) -_-);;: its same with shadowterran
(7:41:02 AM) -_-);;: he wil go for the fast kill
(7:41:06 AM) -_-);;: so he goes like 2 harv
(7:41:08 AM) -_-);;: then spams units etc
(7:41:13 AM) -_-);;: with engi apc of course
(7:41:23 AM) -_-);;: yuri works similar, but usually goes for the tech
(7:41:33 AM) -_-);;: 2 engi apc or 3, then goes for tech or eco
(7:41:45 AM) -_-);;: you can tell so much in this game just based on a single rifleman, not even scouting
(7:41:49 AM) -_-);;: for instance pipeline problems
(7:41:54 AM) -_-);;: i can send my rifleman to the middle
(7:41:57 AM) -_-);;: and know your build
(7:42:04 AM) -_-);;: even without scouting your base
(7:42:11 AM) -_-);;: becuase depending on wherer ur riflemen is
(7:42:15 AM) -_-);;: that tells me what ur build is
(7:42:22 AM) -_-);;: whether i see nothing at all
(7:42:24 AM) -_-);;: or him dug in
(7:42:28 AM) -_-);;: WHERE he is dug in
(7:42:32 AM) -_-);;: or if he walks into me
(7:42:52 AM) -_-);;: its an exact science ive memorized and mapped out in my head, not maphack
and like tasteless says: good players have maphack built into their brain...its true
when I made the vid I did with the camera I tried 3 times to select my mcv but it didn't work so I said "screw it" I know I didn't cheat and that's what matters, I tried 3 times because I calculated the chance to be about 30%, I guess it must be lower but I can't be assed to make another vid anyways.
apoc knows im innoncent and that's the end of that.
oh and at wcg, of course brossea bashed me because I was a noob then, I only got as far as I did because of luck. I didn't take this game seriously until about september, and I had no training partners etc so for 1 month before I could not train seriously. Brossea is a good player and I respect him however.
real training only started in december with shadowterran...
@liang show me one replay where my prediction was too good. I know vs you you often go engi apc by plane, and engi apc around back so, you rarely go expand, and you usually go for the cy (big money) not small target like ref unless it is open and cy is closed. I also know you will often go 5 st when u do go st, especially if you know u can hit my fac dirictly as on rift or tower. Also you do not micro harvs, and usually in nod vs gdi u try to go for more scorp harassment so i build less harvs without scouting than without. Also, you usually tech and your tech placement is usually in bottom right on ta or upper left if you spawn on the right side. I could go on and on forever, I have catalogued a million little facts about players in my brain (not boasting btw) about how player x does tactic y and places structure z in location w. This comes from experience, but also the fact I know I have watched more replays than anyone else in the world (even replays of so called "noobs" becuase I always look out for that new strat or bo that top players have not seen or know about) I can tell by the way a buggy comes into my base how they placed their fac and where they will be crawling, or I can know so many things based on if they garrison bunkers or not, and how on ta for instance. every clue matters and even non-clues, such as chat, previous games, and player psychology plays a big role, also for instance if you see no riflmen or something coming toward your bunker. for example I remember in our last game on barstow you left an engi apc sitting in my view near the bottom (i expanded to top) and built a watchtower there to counter. Watch through the eyes ffs, you can clearly see it was in my vision range. there are too many cases of legitimate surprise (which I have stated and no one has countered) to say I maphack.
and also mountaineer is a personal friend, he doesn't play the game anymore, go ahead and post the replay so we can all see and I can explain my logic in that case, stop bringing up false accusations when you can't even back them up.
Geändert von mutaling (15.03.2008 um 16:37 Uhr)
So ich opfer jetzt nochmal ne halbe Stunde Zeit und zeige, dass es nicht geht mit dem mcv auswählen.
EDIT: Ich glaub sogar Relativit hat in seinem Youtube Vid Zoom hack an.
Geändert von Nimphelos (15.03.2008 um 16:47 Uhr)
we dont have to show that it doesnt work... relativit has to show that it DOES work
ok and to wilko, and anyone else who claims aceton is SO unsafe: ill make you a deal, lets go 1v1 right now (as today) on aceton, and since your such a "leet" coder like agentdark64 + xanatus then you load all the hacks you want and beat me soundly. I won't even report it, i'll just take the loss. Because right now theres alot of ppl claiming they can crack aceton or that it is retardedly unsafe when in reality none of these people can even begin to do that. so if you can't do that stop saying aceton is so unsafe atm (nin included)
Geändert von mutaling (15.03.2008 um 17:04 Uhr)
Wie lustig..... naja als ich gegen scorp gespielt habe is mir noch nie was aufgefallen.
Ka ob er Mh an hat oO glaubs aber irgendwie net bzw will es net glauben. Das würde der Com wieder mal schaden
Like i said before, a challange with aceton wont get you anywhere relativit! Of course aceton will block this random cheap hacks you can download form the internet. But i also have absolutly zero doubt that if i would actually buy this hack for 60 € nimphelos mentioned earlier, i could hack the living crap outta you while aceton watches and smiles. But why do i tell you...i guess you already know of what these hacks (and aceton) are capable of...
1680 x 1050, all things on low except vfx on med and decal detail on high.
and it DOES change at about 26 seconds because notice how even though I am scrolling down I can no longer get to where I was before that mark...when the game starts I can see a much larger area than after I press the "5" key and reset the camera manually using middle scroll button that my view area is shortened. (i have binded 5 to reset camera)
and go to rift. position the camera above the mountain and you will see black coming out of the top, this the same thing, its not zoomhack its a bug with the viewrange.
ok if your sure then buy the hack and prove it to me, then if that works then you must also prove that I bought the hack as well (which you won't be able to, since I don't buy hacks)
and I never said it would get me anywhere the reason why I brought that up was because people said it was trivial, not 60 euro. See, I bring logic up and boom people start adding in important details which they missed before.
and heres another case: yesterday I played leownzall many times, I usually go expand however 1 time he did not go shadow and owned me with scorps because I did not go expand. Now if I had maphacked obviously I would've know this and not lost the game, but I lost because I didn't predict properly. This kind of thing happens everyday, and still no one has brought up a specific case where they say I maphacked in a match (other than the one at hand, which I have already responded to in kind). Obviously if I maphack I would have a perfect record like 100/0 or something, but that doesn't happen because often times I fuck up and miss predict something. Of course I'm right the majority of the time (anyone can be using their brain) but I do mis-predict and that is a fact no one can dispute.
another case of me vs optik: i remember the game we played before last was on arena, and he sent scorps and killed my blue harvs ( because I built 4) however if i had maphacked i wouldve seen this and started building preds instead of just massing harvs like normal, and I went on to lose the game. The last game on dustbowl I was able to win because I knew optik would try a similar strat of early scorp to my weaker point (main, not expo on dustbowl) and he did. I also predicted that optik is a smart player and would not use the stupid shadowteam build on dustbowl (2 engis) which most new players do, and was correct there too.
so again, i challenge someone to bring a specific case in a ranked or tournament match and I will explain it with logic.
oh and another case where you guys are being ignorant: do you wonder why i have my vfx set to medium? or decal detail to high? do you know how this impacts gameplay? because it does, its not just graphics...
I could bring up a million points like this where I know something you don't because you aren't willing to experiment or research things...
and even if you set it to those settings and cant see mcv or click it doesnt mean im a hacker, it just means the bugs are still there.
So I've read through all your posts...
you've never once shown how you can select the construction yard without a maphack.
oh and in the last post, great 2 examples of games where you didn't maphack..
so what about the unranked games we played.
one game my nod vs your GDI, you expanded, i shadow teamed, and surprisingly you're expansion base didn't unpack, you just kept driving it through the tiberium, and then i see a pitbull and apc coming down for me even though you haven't scouted my base.
then , the most recent games we played before the micro arena one..
first one my Nod vs your GDI i do shadows, you hide your expander (i didnt see it) and as i come into your base i find you've already queued a pitbull (without scouting).
next game. i dont go shadows, and you didnt build a pitbulll..
why does not EA or the Aceton team use an agent and buy a cheat from Xanatus?
then they would know it and could tproblem, couldnt they?
60 euros… that is not much money, but if the money would be a problem open an account and Im sure you would get enough donations…
dont write as much about matches where you cant prove map hacking
well, what mutaling writes is not illogical and he wrote many interesting things
but: whether is that he predicts anything correct a evidence for map hacking nor is a wrong prediction an evidence for not-cheating
I think the topic mcv moving has more potential than discussing about match x and y
EA had a easy solution: organise the tournaments offline on their own computers!
I cant understand why they does not
mutaling, I hope you participate in offline tournaments and win there – because this would be an indicator (not an evidence) for not-cheating
EA wont ban mutaling anyway, because they have different interests
*watching tv atm*
Geändert von Predatory fish (15.03.2008 um 21:26 Uhr)
Es gibt nichts Gutes,
außer man tut es.
rumour has it that he sucks @ lan tournaments but is good online
So we re still waiting for the vid showing relativit picking his mcv without hacks right ?